June 03, 2004

Something Quagmire Something, And Oh Yeah Bush Screwed Up

A CBS Evening News story tonight discussed President Bush's trip to Rome, where he hopes to get European backing for a new UN resolution in support of the post-June-30 Iraqi transitional government. The story talked about some of the things the President is doing towards that end: a sound bite assuring that US troops would remain in Iraq with the approval of a sovereign Iraqi government, a mention of a 'charm offensive' including a Bush interview in a Paris magazine, that kind of thing. Then at the very end of the story, apropos of nothing and totally unsupported by anything said earlier, correspondent Bill Plante said:

Many Europeans are convinced that the war has only increased the threat of terrorism, so the President may discover that instead of being offered assistance, he may have to persuade countries which still have troops in Iraq not to go racing for the exit.
I don't know why biased shit like this still surprises me.

Posted by Chris at June 3, 2004 08:50 PM

Category: Media Stupidity

typical. it still pisses me off though.

Posted by: mlah at June 4, 2004 08:48 AM

The comments made by Bill Plante are correct. I don't know how to make it any more clear. Poll after poll have shown that the vast majority of people in Europe are not only against the war but think that its made them (and the rest of the world) more unsafe.

I submit that the reason you think this is "biased shit" is because the facts disagree with your opinion.

In the past few years I've noticed that the number of comments that tend to dismiss another point of view by attempting to label that viewpoint as "biased shit" or "liberal" or "crazy" or "from dumbasses" etc.. have mostly come from the right.

In any event, if you can't accept the fact, the truth, then there is no hope for democracy.

Posted by: Dude at June 4, 2004 09:47 AM


Watch the story. You can find it on this page:


Look for the link "Bush Says Ciao Roma!" in the Video On Demand / CBS Evening News section.

Here are the points covered:
- Italian embassy in Baghdad takes mortar fire
- Italian hostages paraded on Al Jazeera
- Italian police and government prepare for massive protests over President Bush's visit
- President Bush is coming to Italy seeking EU backing for a UN resolution supporting the Iraqi provisional government: "...our coalition will be there with the consent of the fully sovereign government."
- Bush hopes to use the Allied victory in WWII to galvanize support for his Iraq policy, linking the liberation of Europe to the overthrow of Hussein.
- Sound bite from the CFR's Charles Kupchan, saying that European leaders don't want to do anything to help Bush's reelection prospects
- Paris Match interview: Chirac is welcome to go to the Bush ranch and 'see some cows.'

Nothing in any of that can reasonably be construed to mean that Coalition partners are considering "running for the exits." Plante made that part up; thus, 'biased shit.'

So you've never watched, say, The 700 Club, and said anything like 'those crazy right-wing dumbasses?'

Posted by: Chris of Dangerous Logic at June 4, 2004 11:18 AM

"In the past few years I've noticed that the number of comments that tend to dismiss another point of view by attempting to label that viewpoint as 'biased shit' or 'liberal' or 'crazy' or 'from dumbasses' etc.. have mostly come from the right."

He's correct: The left prefers to dismiss other viewpoints with labels such as "Nazi," "fascist," "morons," "stupid," "uneducated," "sheep," "blind," etc., etc.


Posted by: at June 11, 2004 03:08 PM

Can't we all just get along?

We usually try to belittle that which we don't understand. That's true on both sides of the increasingly large political fence we have here in the good 'ol US of A.

I see it from the psycho lefty's and psycho right. I think the similarity here is the "Psycho" part.

A lot of your stuff on this site seems to spend a considerable amount of time harpooning (and lampooning) the left. Haven't found it yet, but I'm wondering if you've done any sniping at the right as well...

Only seems fair...


Posted by: Spence at June 23, 2004 05:09 PM

I don't know how useful this will be since it's ten days after your comment and the post is about to fall off the front page, and you didn't leave me an email address so I could copy you on my response, but here it is anyway.

I am more or less a South Park Republican ( http://www.techcentralstation.com/100702A.html ); thus, I am unlikely to do much if any sniping at the secular Right.

The Religious Right is another matter entirely. As I've said before ( http://www.dangerouslogic.com/archive/000469.html ), I think militant Leftism and militant Christianity are in a dead heat as the second-greatest threat to Western Civilization (Islamic Supremacists, of course, being the greatest threat). You are correct in that I haven't blogged a lot about them, and I probably should, but I don't think what they're doing to screw up this country is as immediate a threat as what the Lefties or the Islamokazes are doing.

Posted by: Chris of Dangerous Logic at July 2, 2004 04:25 PM